Comments on: On Leaky Abstractions and Objective-J

By: Joel Norvell

Joel Norvell — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 03:39:33 +0000

I think this is a brilliant article. For me, Cappuccino and Objective-J are an incredible and unexpected boon — providing a way out of the client-bound, and a way forward onto the web — a real future, but one that doesn't require the sacrifice of my past!

By: penny

penny — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 02:05:12 +0000

smalltalk like syntax is what won me in the first place….You have to program as you talk..this is what i call syntax…well, smalltalk.

By: Tim

Tim — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 02:33:31 +0000

P.S. I also felt the need to respond to John Resig with a post of my own
http://web.2point1.com/2009/01/03/a-response-to...

By: Tim

Tim — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 01:11:29 +0000

That's an extensive article, great work.
I totally agree that the likes of Prototype and jQuery are limited as they don't extend the syntax. Furthermore the sugared-syntax that with its clever use of whitespace is very unintuitive indeed, and stands in the way of developers new to JavaScript gaining any real understanding of it.

It is at this point that I must plug my own project which is an abstraction in ActionScript. You write AS3 and the JASPA compiler generates regular JavaScript from it. http://www.jaspa.org.uk/

By: Tim

Tim — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 20:33:31 +0000

P.S. I also felt the need to respond to John Resig with a post of my own
http://web.2point1.com/2009/01/03/a-response-to...

By: Tim

Tim — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 19:11:29 +0000

By: tlrobinson

tlrobinson — Fri, 19 Dec 2008 01:12:55 +0000

Thanks. Also fixed.

By: tlrobinson

tlrobinson — Fri, 19 Dec 2008 01:12:29 +0000

Thanks. Fixed.

By: patrickdanger

patrickdanger — Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:42:44 +0000

Great post, very reasonable interpretation of Spoelsky's wide-net analysis.

I have read a lot of the reaction to Objective-J and Cappuccino with a critical eye, as I think what you've done is fantastic, and struck me as the next logical step following the glut of library development designed to abstract platform complexity.

This is, in my opinion, the third tier missing in your diagram above right below the various collections of technologies that make the web run, as many browsers have idiosyncratic implementations of standards.

By: Steve I

Steve I — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:07:18 +0000

Great article , clears up alot!

As a researcher I welcome and embrace all new ideas, and I find it disturbing all the negative comments you guys receive about your technologies. Some people seem to be taking this as though you somehow claim your solutions as the ultimate truth and force them upon us so that we may never program the web in javascript again.

Anyway, I thank you for embracing openness and helping in your own way move the technological world forward, you have developed an interesting idea for your own purpose and been good enough to show it to the world… for the flamers out there, if you dont like it and have good reason, by all means say so, but then simply realise you dont have to use it and leave the poor guys in peace!