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	<title>Comments on: On Leaky Abstractions and Objective-J</title>
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		<title>By: Michael Jackson</title>
		<link>http://cappuccino.org/discuss/2008/12/08/on-leaky-abstractions-and-objective-j/comment-page-1/#comment-1991</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 10:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t let the trolls get you down, &quot;A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds&quot;.

I&#039;m all in...ready and waiting for Atlas Beta for Windows!

Just for the sake of discussion, wouldn&#039;t the second diagram be SVG + Javascript?

Also, I&#039;m thinking about the step to the third diagram with ???, where Javascript really is out of the picture.  I was thinking GWT might bridge that gap better. After, more thought, that is so far down the road, I doubt GWT would be any more relevant. I also wouldn&#039;t want to discount the significance of being able to edit/refresh the browser as you say...ultimately developing right in the browser! Also, this is where your build tools might someday get their guts replaced to migrate to ???.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t let the trolls get you down, &#8220;A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all in&#8230;ready and waiting for Atlas Beta for Windows!</p>
<p>Just for the sake of discussion, wouldn&#8217;t the second diagram be SVG + Javascript?</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m thinking about the step to the third diagram with ???, where Javascript really is out of the picture.  I was thinking GWT might bridge that gap better. After, more thought, that is so far down the road, I doubt GWT would be any more relevant. I also wouldn&#8217;t want to discount the significance of being able to edit/refresh the browser as you say&#8230;ultimately developing right in the browser! Also, this is where your build tools might someday get their guts replaced to migrate to ???.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnlabarge</title>
		<link>http://cappuccino.org/discuss/2008/12/08/on-leaky-abstractions-and-objective-j/comment-page-1/#comment-1933</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnlabarge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 06:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article was absolutely fantastic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article was absolutely fantastic.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Norvell</title>
		<link>http://cappuccino.org/discuss/2008/12/08/on-leaky-abstractions-and-objective-j/comment-page-1/#comment-445</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Norvell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 03:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is a brilliant article.  For me, Cappuccino and Objective-J are an incredible and unexpected boon -- providing a way out of the client-bound, and a way forward onto the web -- a real future, but one that doesn&#039;t require the sacrifice of my past!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is a brilliant article.  For me, Cappuccino and Objective-J are an incredible and unexpected boon &#8212; providing a way out of the client-bound, and a way forward onto the web &#8212; a real future, but one that doesn&#39;t require the sacrifice of my past!</p>
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		<title>By: penny</title>
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		<dc:creator>penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 02:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>smalltalk like syntax is what won me in the first place....You have to program as you talk..this is what i call syntax...well, smalltalk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>smalltalk like syntax is what won me in the first place&#8230;.You have to program as you talk..this is what i call syntax&#8230;well, smalltalk.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://cappuccino.org/discuss/2008/12/08/on-leaky-abstractions-and-objective-j/comment-page-1/#comment-321</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 02:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. I also felt the need to respond to John Resig with a post of my own&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://web.2point1.com/2009/01/03/a-response-to-jquery/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://web.2point1.com/2009/01/03/a-response-to...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. I also felt the need to respond to John Resig with a post of my own<br /><a href="http://web.2point1.com/2009/01/03/a-response-to-jquery/" rel="nofollow">http://web.2point1.com/2009/01/03/a-response-to&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://cappuccino.org/discuss/2008/12/08/on-leaky-abstractions-and-objective-j/comment-page-1/#comment-320</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 01:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s an extensive article, great work. &lt;br&gt;I totally agree that the likes of Prototype and jQuery are limited as they don&#039;t extend the syntax. Furthermore the sugared-syntax that with its clever use of whitespace is very unintuitive indeed, and stands in the way of developers new to JavaScript gaining any real understanding of it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is at this point that I must plug my own project which is an abstraction in ActionScript. You write AS3 and the JASPA compiler generates regular JavaScript from it. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jaspa.org.uk/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.jaspa.org.uk/&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#39;s an extensive article, great work. <br />I totally agree that the likes of Prototype and jQuery are limited as they don&#39;t extend the syntax. Furthermore the sugared-syntax that with its clever use of whitespace is very unintuitive indeed, and stands in the way of developers new to JavaScript gaining any real understanding of it.</p>
<p>It is at this point that I must plug my own project which is an abstraction in ActionScript. You write AS3 and the JASPA compiler generates regular JavaScript from it. <a href="http://www.jaspa.org.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://www.jaspa.org.uk/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://cappuccino.org/discuss/2008/12/08/on-leaky-abstractions-and-objective-j/comment-page-1/#comment-310</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 20:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. I also felt the need to respond to John Resig with a post of my own&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://web.2point1.com/2009/01/03/a-response-to-jquery/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://web.2point1.com/2009/01/03/a-response-to...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. I also felt the need to respond to John Resig with a post of my own<br /><a href="http://web.2point1.com/2009/01/03/a-response-to-jquery/" rel="nofollow">http://web.2point1.com/2009/01/03/a-response-to&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 19:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s an extensive article, great work. &lt;br&gt;I totally agree that the likes of Prototype and jQuery are limited as they don&#039;t extend the syntax. Furthermore the sugared-syntax that with its clever use of whitespace is very unintuitive indeed, and stands in the way of developers new to JavaScript gaining any real understanding of it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is at this point that I must plug my own project which is an abstraction in ActionScript. You write AS3 and the JASPA compiler generates regular JavaScript from it. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jaspa.org.uk/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.jaspa.org.uk/&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#39;s an extensive article, great work. <br />I totally agree that the likes of Prototype and jQuery are limited as they don&#39;t extend the syntax. Furthermore the sugared-syntax that with its clever use of whitespace is very unintuitive indeed, and stands in the way of developers new to JavaScript gaining any real understanding of it.</p>
<p>It is at this point that I must plug my own project which is an abstraction in ActionScript. You write AS3 and the JASPA compiler generates regular JavaScript from it. <a href="http://www.jaspa.org.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://www.jaspa.org.uk/</a></p>
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		<title>By: tlrobinson</title>
		<link>http://cappuccino.org/discuss/2008/12/08/on-leaky-abstractions-and-objective-j/comment-page-1/#comment-304</link>
		<dc:creator>tlrobinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 01:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks. Also fixed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. Also fixed.</p>
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		<title>By: tlrobinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>tlrobinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 01:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks. Fixed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. Fixed.</p>
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