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		<title>By: mugwump64</title>
		<link>http://cappuccino.org/discuss/2009/05/20/cappuccino-07-now-available/comment-page-1/#comment-412</link>
		<dc:creator>mugwump64</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Boucher, &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;sure you&#039;re right - I&#039;ve been through the tutorials and even built my first mini-application: The immediate pain of not knowing where what goes wrong fades a little after the first steps. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Still, the fact that the browser reports the error in the compiled version, you still have to guess where the error comes from. Even harder for beginners. A littlle bit like early jsp...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I found the debugging-tutorial and after installing the cappuccino-tools and watching some of the screencasts at &lt;a href=&quot;http://cappuccinocasts.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://cappuccinocasts.com/&lt;/a&gt; developing with cappuccino starts to feel ok... &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, testing seems to be a little underdeveloped: This is the only thing I could find: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nice-panorama.com/Programmation/cappuccino/Tutorial-objj-and-ojunit.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.nice-panorama.com/Programmation/capp...&lt;/a&gt; - which is helpful, but a little sparse on the strategies of testing in cappuccino: Are there any more tutorials on testing somewhere? There are some tests in objj/narwhal/test, but I didn&#039;t find too many examples for actual cappuccino-application-tests... Any pointers to example would be great!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Boucher, </p>
<p>sure you&#39;re right &#8211; I&#39;ve been through the tutorials and even built my first mini-application: The immediate pain of not knowing where what goes wrong fades a little after the first steps. </p>
<p>Still, the fact that the browser reports the error in the compiled version, you still have to guess where the error comes from. Even harder for beginners. A littlle bit like early jsp&#8230;</p>
<p>I found the debugging-tutorial and after installing the cappuccino-tools and watching some of the screencasts at <a href="http://cappuccinocasts.com/" rel="nofollow">http://cappuccinocasts.com/</a> developing with cappuccino starts to feel ok&#8230; </p>
<p>However, testing seems to be a little underdeveloped: This is the only thing I could find: <a href="http://www.nice-panorama.com/Programmation/cappuccino/Tutorial-objj-and-ojunit.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nice-panorama.com/Programmation/capp&#8230;</a> &#8211; which is helpful, but a little sparse on the strategies of testing in cappuccino: Are there any more tutorials on testing somewhere? There are some tests in objj/narwhal/test, but I didn&#39;t find too many examples for actual cappuccino-application-tests&#8230; Any pointers to example would be great!</p>
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		<title>By: boucher</title>
		<link>http://cappuccino.org/discuss/2009/05/20/cappuccino-07-now-available/comment-page-1/#comment-411</link>
		<dc:creator>boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 22:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Stefan,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There&#039;s a tutorial on debugging and another on Objective-J on the  &lt;br&gt;tutorials section of our website. (&lt;a href=&quot;http://cappuccino.org/learn/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://cappuccino.org/learn/&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br&gt;tutorials).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There is an OJUnit framework which is included in the tools  &lt;br&gt;installation of Cappuccino. It runs on top of rhino, and right now is  &lt;br&gt;mostly suitable for non visual testing.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The easiest way to find the source of an error is to load it in Safari  &lt;br&gt;4 or a webkit nightly and turn on debugging, and the &quot;Break on  &lt;br&gt;Exception&quot; option. This will give you a stack trace to the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Stefan,</p>
<p>There&#39;s a tutorial on debugging and another on Objective-J on the  <br />tutorials section of our website. (<a href="http://cappuccino.org/learn/" rel="nofollow">http://cappuccino.org/learn/</a> <br />tutorials).</p>
<p>There is an OJUnit framework which is included in the tools  <br />installation of Cappuccino. It runs on top of rhino, and right now is  <br />mostly suitable for non visual testing.</p>
<p>The easiest way to find the source of an error is to load it in Safari  <br />4 or a webkit nightly and turn on debugging, and the &#8220;Break on  <br />Exception&#8221; option. This will give you a stack trace to the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Stefan</title>
		<link>http://cappuccino.org/discuss/2009/05/20/cappuccino-07-now-available/comment-page-1/#comment-410</link>
		<dc:creator>Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Impressive! It certainly looks beautiful&amp;very complete. I give it a spin today, and my feelings for cappuccino are wow, bad, good, bad again, good again - mixed, to be honest. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Being very new to cappucino, there are two things I might just have been missing: But they are obviously not prominent enough in the documentation: &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;- what about testing? How to test a cappucino app? Is there some sort of ObjectJUnit I have missed?&lt;br&gt;- how about debugging? Not the complex things like stepping through, inspecting variables and so on. Just the simple things, like seeing which file produced the error in what line? Every once in a while I got simple problems like a class not being found. This can be easily fixed, because you know which class imports what. The Browser-Error is not of much help: [Exception... &quot;&#039;*** Could not locate file named &quot;AppKit/CALaxer.j&quot; in search paths.&#039; when calling method: [nsIDOMEventListener::handleEvent]&quot; nsresult: &quot;0x8057001c (NS_ERROR_XPC_JS_THREW_JS_OBJECT)&quot; location: &quot;&lt;unknown&gt;&quot; data: no]. All exceptions are thrown by Objective-J.js - so you can only guess where the error comes from. Other errors are just swallowed silently (This maybe points back to messages being swallowed that go to nil-objects - but how do I find the error now?)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;To sum it up: I&#039;m seriously impressed about the look&amp;feel and the things you can build with it - but I&#039;m missing some basics here: Sure, it will take a while to get into it, but is there a tutorial on how to get these basics (testing, finding&amp;fixing errors) to work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Impressive! It certainly looks beautiful&#038;very complete. I give it a spin today, and my feelings for cappuccino are wow, bad, good, bad again, good again &#8211; mixed, to be honest. </p>
<p>Being very new to cappucino, there are two things I might just have been missing: But they are obviously not prominent enough in the documentation: </p>
<p>- what about testing? How to test a cappucino app? Is there some sort of ObjectJUnit I have missed?<br />- how about debugging? Not the complex things like stepping through, inspecting variables and so on. Just the simple things, like seeing which file produced the error in what line? Every once in a while I got simple problems like a class not being found. This can be easily fixed, because you know which class imports what. The Browser-Error is not of much help: [Exception... "&#39;*** Could not locate file named "AppKit/CALaxer.j" in search paths.&#39; when calling method: [nsIDOMEventListener::handleEvent]&#8221; nsresult: &#8220;0x8057001c (NS_ERROR_XPC_JS_THREW_JS_OBJECT)&#8221; location: &#8220;&lt;unknown&gt;&#8221; data: no]. All exceptions are thrown by Objective-J.js &#8211; so you can only guess where the error comes from. Other errors are just swallowed silently (This maybe points back to messages being swallowed that go to nil-objects &#8211; but how do I find the error now?)</p>
<p>To sum it up: I&#39;m seriously impressed about the look&#038;feel and the things you can build with it &#8211; but I&#39;m missing some basics here: Sure, it will take a while to get into it, but is there a tutorial on how to get these basics (testing, finding&#038;fixing errors) to work?</p>
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		<title>By: MySchizoBuddy</title>
		<link>http://cappuccino.org/discuss/2009/05/20/cappuccino-07-now-available/comment-page-1/#comment-405</link>
		<dc:creator>MySchizoBuddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 19:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Feasibility question&lt;br&gt;How feasible it is right now, to be able to create a Web interface to CouchDB using Cappucino</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feasibility question<br />How feasible it is right now, to be able to create a Web interface to CouchDB using Cappucino</p>
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		<title>By: aquaibm</title>
		<link>http://cappuccino.org/discuss/2009/05/20/cappuccino-07-now-available/comment-page-1/#comment-404</link>
		<dc:creator>aquaibm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 14:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice,you guys are the best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice,you guys are the best.</p>
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		<title>By: alos</title>
		<link>http://cappuccino.org/discuss/2009/05/20/cappuccino-07-now-available/comment-page-1/#comment-403</link>
		<dc:creator>alos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 10:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great jobs guys!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great jobs guys!</p>
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		<title>By: boucher</title>
		<link>http://cappuccino.org/discuss/2009/05/20/cappuccino-07-now-available/comment-page-1/#comment-402</link>
		<dc:creator>boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 06:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely not.</p>
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		<title>By: MySchizoBuddy</title>
		<link>http://cappuccino.org/discuss/2009/05/20/cappuccino-07-now-available/comment-page-1/#comment-401</link>
		<dc:creator>MySchizoBuddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 06:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that we have nib2cib does this mean Atlas is dead?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that we have nib2cib does this mean Atlas is dead?</p>
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		<title>By: VerlSnake</title>
		<link>http://cappuccino.org/discuss/2009/05/20/cappuccino-07-now-available/comment-page-1/#comment-397</link>
		<dc:creator>VerlSnake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 18:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I&#039;m not in error, the Apple &#039;Visual Interface Builder&#039; tool is only available for MACs, isn&#039;t it ? With regard to approaches in the Apple MAC world, the following post may be interesting, too: &lt;a href=&quot;http://aralbalkan.com/2152&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://aralbalkan.com/2152&lt;/a&gt; ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I&#39;m not in error, the Apple &#39;Visual Interface Builder&#39; tool is only available for MACs, isn&#39;t it ? With regard to approaches in the Apple MAC world, the following post may be interesting, too: <a href="http://aralbalkan.com/2152" rel="nofollow">http://aralbalkan.com/2152</a> &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: 汇率网</title>
		<link>http://cappuccino.org/discuss/2009/05/20/cappuccino-07-now-available/comment-page-1/#comment-394</link>
		<dc:creator>汇率网</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 08:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great js lib!&lt;br&gt;Thanks so much for sharing&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cer24.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.cer24.com/&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great js lib!<br />Thanks so much for sharing</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cer24.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cer24.com/</a></p>
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